Perhaps since a portion of shoes, for example the top of them, are lifted from the ground then they count as being "on" the person? I can't imagine shoes would be that big a deal, but I am a bit braindead right now.
The person is wearing the shoes. As long as they're still fastened around the person's feet, I think they count as clothing, and become invisible as all clothing items do.
And oh yeah, I'm totally squicked out by the Gollum example, but my treacherous brain jumped up like Hermione with answer just before I wrote "we have no example of a body part inside another etc. etc." and went "NO AVELERA WE TOTALLY DO" and the realization was followed by a full-body shudder. But you are right, it would make sense if it goes both ways but it's not NECESSARILY so.
No worries, my brain does that too. But my point was it's not completely analogous because Frodo was invisible and Gollum was visible when Gollum took Frodo's finger into his mouth, so the position of visible/visible and inserting/inserted are reversed.
If it stayed Sauron-sized two hobbits could conceivably both wear it (uncomfortably) at the same time, by shrinking to their size it prevents that.
True, true - but is that really the reason the size changes? I think it changes just to choose a bearer or abandon one, selectively. And maybe Sauron didn't just wear it on his finger...
As to the Ring's dormancy - wouldn't YOU tune out a bit after 500 years in a cave with Gollum? There's only so many solo riddle games and muttered conversations with "precious" that I think even an evil magical artifact can take before it makes a run for it. The next 60 years was just the Ring slowly waking up out and glancing around furtively to make sure Gollum is REALLY gone this time.
*spittakes* Oh god yes, truth. I almost feel bad for it. Worst roommate ever.
I like that idea too. Sting has kind of a will of its own as well. I think it really enjoys being borne by hobbits. It's refreshing.
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The person is wearing the shoes. As long as they're still fastened around the person's feet, I think they count as clothing, and become invisible as all clothing items do.
And oh yeah, I'm totally squicked out by the Gollum example, but my treacherous brain jumped up like Hermione with answer just before I wrote "we have no example of a body part inside another etc. etc." and went "NO AVELERA WE TOTALLY DO" and the realization was followed by a full-body shudder. But you are right, it would make sense if it goes both ways but it's not NECESSARILY so.
No worries, my brain does that too. But my point was it's not completely analogous because Frodo was invisible and Gollum was visible when Gollum took Frodo's finger into his mouth, so the position of visible/visible and inserting/inserted are reversed.
If it stayed Sauron-sized two hobbits could conceivably both wear it (uncomfortably) at the same time, by shrinking to their size it prevents that.
True, true - but is that really the reason the size changes? I think it changes just to choose a bearer or abandon one, selectively.
And maybe Sauron didn't just wear it on his finger...As to the Ring's dormancy - wouldn't YOU tune out a bit after 500 years in a cave with Gollum? There's only so many solo riddle games and muttered conversations with "precious" that I think even an evil magical artifact can take before it makes a run for it. The next 60 years was just the Ring slowly waking up out and glancing around furtively to make sure Gollum is REALLY gone this time.
*spittakes* Oh god yes, truth. I almost feel bad for it. Worst roommate ever.
I like that idea too. Sting has kind of a will of its own as well. I think it really enjoys being borne by hobbits. It's refreshing.