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Started by [livejournal.com profile] sazzlette:

1. Take your OTP
2. List your personal canon for those characters. So the stuff that has nothing whatsoever to do with the books, but in your head is irrefutably what would have happened xD


hee. The more I write any particular pairing, the more personal fanon builds up. So here's the one I've written most!



(Some of these points are more irrefutable than others, mind.)

1. Aziraphale feels secretly superior to a number of his colleagues for not getting caught up in that tawdry Nephilim incident. But the reason he didn’t had nothing to do with superior morality and everything to do with (a) not being a particularly sexual being at the time, and (b) being actually gayer than a tree full of monkeys, etc.

2. Crowley, on the other hand, has fathered children, way back in Eden. Those “make trouble” orders were awfully nonspecific. Nobody really noticed, though, because snakes don’t give a damn who their father is (or their mother, for that matter).

3. Both of them are really big ol’ bottoms at heart. This gives their sexual power struggles a bit of a passive-aggressive twist. (But Aziraphale is easier to seduce into topping, being more of a control freak.) Crowley is especially violently allergic to the notion of getting locked into a role, because of millennia worth of furious rants about the idiocy of placing great importance on the “who’s on top” question from his fag-hag pal Lilith, who will never Get Over It.

4. God finds them hilarious and endearing and is really very protective of both of them. But the game would be no fun if they knew this.

5. Aziraphale is indirectly responsible for a lot of the past 400 years of human Western innovations in occultism, because he really did let his friendship/book-geek-rivalry with Dr. John Dee get way out of hand. He worries about this a lot. It’s like the flaming sword giveaway all over again. Crowley found this hilarious—up until the early 20th century, when he met the other infamous A. Crowley, and the two did not get along.

6. Aziraphale has a distaste for the French (except for their wine, cheese, and possibly some sexual practices) that goes back to 1066, when the Arrangement got its first solid, grueling test. He once had a remarkable conversation about this in Old English with that nice Professor Tolkien at Oxford, the only man he met in the 20th century whose pronunciations weren’t appalling.

7. Both of them are confused and vaguely uncomfortable in the presence of Buddhism or Hinduism. It reminds them of how little they really understand. They’re both insanely curious, though. They do the supernatural equivalent of ordering materials that come in plain brown envelopes.

8. Aziraphale is secretly grateful for Crowley’s sluttiness. If he were the only acceptable outlet for Crowley’s libido, he wouldn’t have nearly enough time to read.

9. Crowley, on the other hand, has a jealous streak, but he rather wishes Aziraphale would shag someone else just so the other shoe will drop and he can stop worrying about it. (Besides, he wants to watch.)

10. They both know that wings are erogenous zones, but this ought to be used sparingly.

11. While it is true that Crowley would rather take holy-water enemas than openly acknowledge that Aziraphale is more generously endowed than himself, deep in his heart of hearts he finds this fact hilarious. Besides, he really is way more flexible.

12. Crowley suspects, in the furthest deep dark never-accessed reaches of his mind, that redemption might be possible if he wanted it badly enough. The only way he would ever, ever seriously consider trying is if it were somehow necessary to save Aziraphale.



For a certain value of "irrefutable" of course. I've written things that contradict some of 'em, and very well might again...negative capability, y'know. Important for fandom.

Date: 2007-01-22 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyedtigress.livejournal.com
Well, that explains it -- a great deal of my personal canon for them has obviously been cribbed from your stories. ;D

Date: 2007-01-22 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Ah, but a number of these are things I don't think I've actually written. :D

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Date: 2007-01-22 03:09 am (UTC)
sarahsan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarahsan
What a FANTASTIC meme, I've not seen this before!

And LOL and amen to all of them. Your A and C are prettymuch canon to me, too, so all of these ring true. ^_~

Crowley would rather take holy-water enemas than openly acknowledge that Aziraphale is more generously endowed...

*rotfl*

Date: 2007-01-22 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Hee, and awwww. :D Some of these contain kernels of stories I haven't written yet, of which there are many. I worry sometimes about running out, and yet I seem to get reassured that isn't likely to happen soon...

Date: 2007-01-22 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stultiloquentia.livejournal.com
I've never read GO. I've been a grad student for the past umpteen years and other books keep getting in the way, and whenever I think to look for it in the library it's checked out.

But I love this list. Looooove. It's booted the source material up several dozen places on my urgent reading list.

Date: 2007-01-22 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Now, that's what I like to hear! Another reader for the source! :D

I think that my fanon largely fits somewhat with canon, at least that alternate-reality version with all the sex scenes in it. :D But of course it's also ridden with self-indulgent idiosyncracy, which is the big fun of fandom.

Date: 2007-01-22 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] use-theforce-em.livejournal.com
This is awesome. So awesome. And so many of these I totally would have put on the list myself. 3 and 4 = yes, omg YES. (You're making me want to write more God and Lucifer fic, stop it. They've been bickering in my brain enough as it is. XP)

The end of 5 cracks me up because you knows it's true. As is 6 because I've always felt deep in my gut that Aziraphale liked Tolkien quite a bit (the fact that they've met is simply obvious).

8,9 and 10 = inarguable porn truths. Problem is now I want to read Crowley watching. Right now. 11 = same as 8,9 and 10 + me spitting out water all over my computer. 12 is also absolutely true. But now I want to know what would happen to Aziraphale where he would require saving....

Date: 2007-01-22 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Oooo, so glad you're enjoying this! Yes, please, please write more God and Lucifer fic - you're so great at it. Consider this an Official Temptation. :D

The end of 5 cracks me up because you knows it's true. As is 6 because I've always felt deep in my gut that Aziraphale liked Tolkien quite a bit (the fact that they've met is simply obvious).

The end of number 5 is something I've been very much intending to write one of these days...it's got its place in the bunny queue.

Problem is now I want to read Crowley watching. Right now.
Slurp. Me too.

12 is also absolutely true. But now I want to know what would happen to Aziraphale where he would require saving....
Some situation where he is in danger of Falling? Or worse?

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Date: 2007-01-22 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celandineb.livejournal.com
OMG, hilarious and perfect and I think I agree with nearly all of them. Especially 3, 4, and 8.

Date: 2007-01-22 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Heee, so glad you liked. :D I hope this meme spreads, I think there's a lot of fun to be had in it.

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Date: 2007-01-22 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erunyauve-e.livejournal.com
Crowley found this hilarious—up until the early 20th century, when he met the other infamous A. Crowley, and the two did not get along.

Well, that clears something up regarding a fandom I know nothing about, considering that the other infamous A. Crowley was the only one I'd ever heard of.

Date: 2007-01-22 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Gaiman and Pratchett named their character after him as an in-joke/homage...which is only one of the reasons why a meeting between them would be so amusing. :D

Date: 2007-01-22 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowvalkyrie.livejournal.com
*lol* Goodness, you are /so/ right!

#1: Rather obvious, isn't it?
The fic for #2 was immensely cute and is in my canon, too.
#4: *rofl*
#5: I really don't know the other Crowley, but I think I've read the first part somewhere... *g*
#6: French Invasion fic! Oh please, write that!!! And Aziraphale meeting Tolkien? Too good not to have taken place!
#7: Another great plotbunny! I can see Azi drawing all the curtains close before he guiltily takes the book on Buddhism out from under the sofa... and gets a heart attack when Crowley throws the door open... "Hey angel, what are you reading?" "Ahm, ah... Nothing, dear! Really! Nothing at all!" "Then why are you hiding it behind your back?"
#3,8-11: *loves* -> 8 and 9 could be combined into one fic rather nicely, couldn't they?

Damn, I want to watch Crowley watching now as well... Thanks for another mental image I'll never get rid of again!
And wings... Mmmmmmhhhh, wings....

One thing I can't agree (even with myself) about, is the date the Arrangement proper starts and when they first have sex. It's too much fun to imagine all the many different possibilities!

Date: 2007-01-22 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
That fic for #2 still rots my teeth. Cooing angel! Baby snakes! Now I ded from CUTE. (That idea's really stuck in my head indelibly now. Perhaps because there's that fandom tendency to make people's first times either traumatic or transcendant. Crowley's was neither--just kind of wriggly and scaly. Snake sex is funny.)

#5: I really don't know the other Crowley, but I think I've read the first part somewhere... *g*

Hmm, I wonder where? ;) The other Crowley was a famous, highly influential, and quite colorful and controversial occultist. I think their styles of flamboyance would clash horribly.

#7: Another great plotbunny! I can see Azi drawing all the curtains close before he guiltily takes the book on Buddhism out from under the sofa... and gets a heart attack when Crowley throws the door open... "Hey angel, what are you reading?" "Ahm, ah... Nothing, dear! Really! Nothing at all!" "Then why are you hiding it behind your back?"

Buddhism is for the most part safely analytical, although I think there are things about the Tantric school they might find...distracting.

#3,8-11: *loves* -> 8 and 9 could be combined into one fic rather nicely, couldn't they?
They most certainly could. :D And if Crowley's watching, the big question is...does Aziraphale know?

One thing I can't agree (even with myself) about, is the date the Arrangement proper starts and when they first have sex. It's too much fun to imagine all the many different possibilities!

It starts around 1020, canonically speaking. But I agree there are waaaayyyy too many possibilities, ficishly speaking! That way lies madness...and many possible story arcs going at once. :D

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Date: 2007-01-22 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quantum-witch.livejournal.com
1. Duh :p
2. Not really inclined toward that idea, personally speaking.
3. Azi - control freak with a faux-blushing behaviour; Crowely -flexy as the snake he used to be, and willing to try anything/anyone once (as long as its interesting). Not so inclined to both being secretly bottoms. I like switchy. Though the passive-aggressive definitely is canon.
4. Absolutely, yes.
5. Well, certainly :P
6. Can't comment, as I've not researched either well enough.
7. Hoho, the ring of truth that rivals Big Ben and Notre Dame.
8. We know this very well ;)
9. *Gulp!* Would have to be some total strange picked up in Soho, a one-nighter only. If it were anyone special to Azi, Crowley's jealous streak would kill someone.
10. If they used the all the time, they'd wear themselves out.
11. *Ahem* I feel somewhat responsible for having started that trend... personal conversation with more than one person on that...
12. Aw, sappy but probable. Can't imagine a situation where he'd have to do it, Azi being quite capable of taking care of himself.

Date: 2007-01-22 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Hee, in a way I'm kind of relieved we don't see eye to eye on absolutely everything. :D

6. Can't comment, as I've not researched either well enough.

There's a Norman Conquest bunny in here somewhere. :D Maybe at the same time Aziraphale is having his conversation with JRRT in Anglo-Saxon metre and lots of tweed, Crowley is messing with his pal C.S. Lewis--not only having input into The Screwtape Letters but possibly telling him the allegory in Narnia is much, much too subtle and he needs to lay it on thicker if he wants people to get it. :D

*Gulp!* Would have to be some total strange picked up in Soho, a one-nighter only. If it were anyone special to Azi, Crowley's jealous streak would kill someone.
It's a situation full of minefields, that's for sure. But there are brave souls out there. :D

*Ahem* I feel somewhat responsible for having started that trend... personal conversation with more than one person on that...

I do recall....

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Date: 2007-01-22 03:29 pm (UTC)
makamu: (favourite Tolkien quote (by brouhaha))
From: [personal profile] makamu
I love numbers 5 through seven, because that so happened :) And I cannot wait to see the fic for it, heh

Date: 2007-01-22 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
It DID so happen. And those stories will be told, I promise. :D

Date: 2007-01-22 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_silverfox/
4 and 12 are so definitely indisputable true!

Date: 2007-01-22 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Yes. Yes, they are.

Date: 2007-01-23 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreya-uberwald.livejournal.com
Hee, I love your GO fanon: especially 3, 4, 7 & 12. I also picture God watching them with a great deal of allseeing fondness (albeit allseeing fondness of a wholly ineffable kind). Funnily enough, I seem to have more consistent personal fanon for Hastur and Ligur and the grown up Them than I do for Aziraphale and Crowley, but I suppose that's probably due to the fact that we get so much Aziraphale and Crowley in the book.

Date: 2007-01-24 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
I suspect that, in His ineffable way, there are things God wishes he could avoid seeing. The biggest drawback of being omniscient is the TMI factor.

Funnily enough, I seem to have more consistent personal fanon for Hastur and Ligur and the grown up Them

Oh, I'd LOVE to see your lists of these!

Date: 2007-01-24 10:40 pm (UTC)
erinptah: (sailor ptah)
From: [personal profile] erinptah
Cool. *tacks in memories*

Date: 2007-01-25 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Thanks! Glad to amuse you. :D

Date: 2007-01-25 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waxbean.livejournal.com
thank you for sharing these - I do like your canon.

you know, they all sound like delicious plot bunnies (most of which you've written, of course).

xoxoM

Date: 2007-01-25 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Thanks - glad you liked!

Many of them are bunnylicious, aren't they? And a lot of them I've written, but there are still some I haven't...or haven't written enough. :D

I've missed you! I was having Waxbean Withdrawal after GOE.

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